Friday, August 31, 2007

Assignment - Reading Reflection 083008


Read the Allegory of the Cave, and sketch a picture of it on a single sheet of paper.

The Allegory of the Cave

[Socrates] And now, I said, let me show in a figure how far our nature is enlightened or unenlightened: --Behold! human beings living in a underground cave, which has a mouth open towards the light and reaching all along the cave; here they have been from their childhood, and have their legs and necks chained so that they cannot move, and can only see before them, being prevented by the chains from turning round their heads. Above and behind them a fire is blazing at a distance, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised roadway; and you will see, if you look, a low wall built along the roadway, like the screen which marionette players have in front of them, over which they show the puppets.

[Glaucon] I see.

Strange Prisoners

[Socrates] And do you see, I said, men passing along the wall carrying all sorts of vessels, and statues and figures of animals made of wood and stone and various materials, which appear over the wall? Some of them are talking, others silent.

[Glaucon] You have shown me a strange image, and they are strange prisoners.

[Socrates] Like ourselves, I replied; and they see only their own shadows, or the shadows of one another, which the fire throws on the opposite wall of the cave?

[Glaucon] True, he said; how could they see anything but the shadows if they were never allowed to move their heads?

[Socrates] And of the objects which are being carried in like manner they would only see the shadows?

[Glaucon] Yes, he said.

[Socrates] And if they were able to converse with one another, would they not suppose that they were naming what was actually before them?

[Glaucon] Very true.

[Socrates] And suppose further that the prison had an echo which came from the other side, would they not be sure to fancy when one of the passers-by spoke that the voice which they heard came from the passing shadow?

[Glaucon] No question, he replied.

[Socrates] To them, I said, the truth would be literally nothing but the shadows of the images.

[Glaucon] That is certain.

The Release of the Prisoners

[Socrates] And now look again, and see what will naturally follow if the prisoners are released and disabused of their error. At first, when any of them is liberated and compelled suddenly to stand up and turn his neck round and walk and look towards the light, he will suffer sharp pains; the glare will distress him, and he will be unable to see the realities of which in his former state he had seen the shadows; and then conceive some one saying to him, that what he saw before was an illusion, but that now, when he is approaching nearer to being and his eye is turned towards more real existence, he has a clearer vision, -what will be his reply? And you may further imagine that his instructor is pointing to the objects as they pass and requiring him to name them, -will he not be perplexed? Will he not fancy that the shadows which he formerly saw are truer than the objects which are now shown to him?

[Glaucon] Far truer.

[Socrates] And if he is compelled to look straight at the light, will he not have a pain in his eyes which will make him turn away to take and take in the objects of vision which he can see, and which he will conceive to be in reality clearer than the things which are now being shown to him?

[Glaucon] True, he said.

Leaving the Cave

[Socrates] And suppose once more, that he is reluctantly dragged up a steep and rugged ascent, and held fast until he 's forced into the presence of the sun himself, is he not likely to be pained and irritated? When he approaches the light his eyes will be dazzled, and he will not be able to see anything at all of what are now called realities.

[Glaucon] Not all in a moment, he said.

[Socrates] He will require to grow accustomed to the sight of the upper world. And first he will see the shadows best, next the reflections of men and other objects in the water, and then the objects themselves; then he will gaze upon the light of the moon and the stars and the spangled heaven; and he will see the sky and the stars by night better than the sun or the light of the sun by day?

[Glaucon] Certainly.

[Socrates] Last of he will be able to see the sun, and not mere reflections of him in the water, but he will see him in his own proper place, and not in another; and he will contemplate him as he is.

[Glaucon] Certainly.

[Socrates] He will then proceed to argue that this is he who gives the season and the years, and is the guardian of all that is in the visible world, and in a certain way the cause of all things which he and his fellows have been accustomed to behold?

[Glaucon] Clearly, he said, he would first see the sun and then reason about him.

[Socrates] And when he remembered his old habitation, and the wisdom of the cave and his fellow-prisoners, do you not suppose that he would felicitate himself on the change, and pity them?

[Glaucon] Certainly, he would.

[Socrates] And if they were in the habit of conferring honors among themselves on those who were quickest to observe the passing shadows and to remark which of them went before, and which followed after, and which were together; and who were therefore best able to draw conclusions as to the future, do you think that he would care for such honors and glories, or envy the possessors of them? Would he not say with Homer,
"Better to be the poor servant of a poor master,"
and to endure anything, rather than think as they do and live after their manner?

[Glaucon] Yes, he said, I think that he would rather suffer anything than entertain these false notions and live in this miserable manner.

Returning to the Cave

[Socrates] Imagine once more, I said, such an one coming suddenly out of the sun to be replaced in his old situation; would he not be certain to have his eyes full of darkness?

[Glaucon] To be sure, he said.

[Socrates] And if there were a contest, and he had to compete in measuring the shadows with the prisoners who had never moved out of the cave, while his sight was still weak, and before his eyes had become steady (and the time which would be needed to acquire this new habit of sight might be very considerable) would he not be ridiculous? Men would say of him that up he went and down he came without his eyes; and that it was better not even to think of ascending; and if any one tried to loose another and lead him up to the light, let them only catch the offender, and they would put him to death.

[Glaucon] No question, he said.

Conclusion

[Socrates] This entire allegory, I said, you may now append, dear Glaucon, to the previous argument; the prison-house is the world of sight, the light of the fire is the sun, and you will not misapprehend me if you interpret the journey upwards to be the ascent of the soul into the intellectual world according to my poor belief, which, at your desire, I have expressed whether rightly or wrongly God knows. But, whether true or false, my opinion is that in the world of knowledge the idea of good appears last of all, and is seen only with an effort; and, when seen, is also inferred to be the universal author of all things beautiful and right, parent of light and of the lord of light in this visible world, and the immediate source of reason and truth in the intellectual; and that this is the power upon which he who would act rationally, either in public or private life must have his eye fixed.

[Glaucon] I agree, he said, as far as I am able to understand you.

Answer the following questions on another sheet of paper - be ready to actively participate in the discussion on Tuesday!

1. Define 'Allegory'

2. For the prisoners in the Cave, what is truth?

3. When the prisoner is released, why does he suffer sharp pains?

4. The released prisoner now sees the real objects and not the shadows, but still he believes the shadows to be truer. What human behavior is similar to this?

5. How does Socrates describe the prisoners ascent out of the Cave and into the Sun?

6. When the prisoner who has left the cave and has seen the sun returns to the cave, how do the other prisoners react to him?

7. What does the prison house (cave) represent? The light of the fire? And the journey upwards out of the cave?

29 comments:

Gertrude McSnob said...

Hey, this is me, the one and only.........GERTRUDE MCSNOB! Again. I'm back. I have a poem for yall:

I will check the blog faithfully every day

And argue with everyone who stands in my way

I'll look people up and give them a ring

I know you're all people of a school that sings

But unfortunately I sound like a crow

And if you see this post, go go go!!!

MCS said...

sweet!!!change r seating assignments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!cc was so fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matthew Yost said...

Ouch. I remember when I had to do that... Give my best regards to Mr. Glenn!

Anonymous said...

uhhh.... i don't get what you mean by sketch...

Gertrude McSnob said...

So, how is theology? Remember, GERTRUDE MCSNOB ROCKS!

marennn said...

im ok with the seating arrangements for now =) btw my dear gertrude, lots of people know who you are... its kind of getting a bit silly...

Gertrude McSnob said...

hmmm....*gertrude mcsnob considers what maren said*

does mr glenn know who I am?

MCS said...

cheeese!!!!!!

marennn said...

hmmm... *maren thinks about telling the world who gertrude mcsnob really is*

Gertrude McSnob said...

Gertrude mcsnob will tell the world who gertrude mcsnob really is before maren does.

Gertrude McSnob said...

This is my last post. I've decided to find another blog. Bye, all. Bye, Gen. Bye, Matthew. Bye, Maren. Bye, Maddie Ballard.

Chris H. said...

Yes, hello. I have returned. I remember the Allegory of the Cave... Plato's Republic... Big book... I hope Mr. Glenn is ok. I thought this blog was getting a little too emo, so I decided to liven some things up!

-Always having to feed the hungry masses,
-Chris H.

Matthew Yost said...

Yay! She's gone!!

Don't tell her (the REAL her) that I said it- it'll cancel out her last post and she'll come back just to spite me.

marennn said...

ha... i bet she comes back anyways

mushroomqueen said...

Personally, I think gertrude mcsnob is extremely funny and put mr. glenn in his place. :D

but it is a relief that she's gone-finally we cdan have normal blog postings.

I kinda have mixed feeligns bout her.

I liked reading her argument with mathew yost. I want her to come back and argue with him some more, but I do want to see what the blog would be like without her.

So anyway, I'm SO happy for Gen that she's made head choruster.

And I HATE the allegory of the cave. Give us some normal assigments, will you???

Matthew Yost said...

HOW DARE YOU!! 'put Mr. Glenn in his place.' INFIDEL!! This blog IS Mr. Glenn's place.
Your mushrooms are toxins, infesting the blog (and giving it weird daydreams). :D

Who are you, anyways? You aren't Gertrude under another name, right? That'd be... bad.

And, finally, you can capitalize my name. Actually, it is mandatory. There is no 'matthew yost.' JSYK (just so you know)(It's pretty easy to make those up: sometimes people actually believe they're real.)

mushroomqueen said...

Uh...actually, I don't think gertrude mcsnob would come back under another name. I actually go to mcs.

notice I'm not capitalizing gerts' name either. I'm even shortening it to gert. lol. she'd probably get in an argument with me if I was still here

so I will call you matthew yost whenever you want.

I don't mean...put him in his place. I mean, y'know, stir up the blog a little. but it was only funny at first. I loved reading your favorite argument.

and I say "put ___in his/her place all the time"

so, what did you guys all think of the tombstone assignment? seriously...who cares about what we'll be remembered for when we die? actually I care, but whatever. it was a weird assignment

and by the way, mushrooms are yummy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mushroomqueen said...

So anyway, how did everyone do on the theology quiz?

marennn said...
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Matthew Yost said...

Man, talk about heresy (.5JK). This may be a little postponed of a rebuttal, I know.

And, I am certainly not disagreeing with you. Of course you may call me 'matthew yost' whenever I want. That is to say, never. However, this 'contention,' a debate term, carries just about no weight, seeing as I have no idea who you are...

Just out of curiosity, what is the tombstone-assignment (I mean, besides the obvious), and is there a mushroom on yours? Did you know that mushrooms reproduce via spores (called sporulation, or something like that)? I feel sorry for you........

marennn said...

teehee i finished reading Candide like... yesterday... tona says you think it is heresy along with many other things... ha ha...

marennn said...

by the way, the tombstone assignment was something mmay gave us and we had to draw on it and it was to show how we wanted to be remembered... it was really weird! i know who mushroomqueen is;)

mushroomqueen said...

matthew yost-contentions don't have a "weight"

If you put a contention on the scale, it would say 0

Tina Woltz said...

Hey guys! yall probably think im a nerd for still comming to mr.glenns blog but the allegory of the cave is pretty sweet!

I luvs it!

Chris H. said...

Come on guys. Do you think you will EVER get this again? Seriously, enjoy it why you can. If you just memorize all that stuff for the sake of memorization, and then just forget about it, is there any real point to it? And HOW DARE YOU diss the Alegory of the Cave? Plato was/is (and his works still prove it) probably one of the smartest people on the entire earth. If you say this is "dumb" and "abnormal," you simply are either lazy, or don't have the intelligence to fully comprehend the meaning of this wonderful philosophical work.

marennn said...

ha! hey chris and tina!! tina im gonna come shadow u soon! it will be my third time shadowing at west but thats ok cuz i have fun! actually thats probably the reason why ill come is just to see everybody;)

Matthew Yost said...

To various:

Tina- stuck in "L'il Abner" mode? (If anyone doesn't know what that is, shame on you for not coming.)

mushroomqueen- have you any idea what a 'contention' is? Just wondering. (dictionary doesn't count)

maren e-
1st, sorry, I didn't take the time to do the little ~* things...
2nd- my tombstone will say something like this: 'Matthew Yost'. What did you put on yours?!
3rd- shadow me! Yay!

Chris- Gnothi Seauton. :)

Well, that's about it.

Chris H. said...

Haha, oh man, I think Markus still has that "Gnothi Seauton" thing that Mr. Glenn printed out in Greek at his house or something.

Matthew Yost said...

I hope Mr. Glenn isn't reading this (it would seem so, sometimes), but Markus gave it to me! It's above my bedroom door now.

Oh yeah, and you can shadow me tomorrow. -ahem- jk.